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Some great players there. Now how many of them have 50 assists and 50 goals for their country? How many have 5 goals in the World Cup finals?

Do you think that it might be a possibility that you have blinders on and not all of us?

The reason that he never left the US is because he loves LA and he wanted to help build the league in his own country. BTW a league that could possibly be the best in the world in the future he would have helped lay the foundation with his humility.

The NFL is the best business run sport in the world. American businessmen have a little bit of experience running leagues. Soccer all over the world is in immense debt. That is a bad business plan.

To be fair, UEFA is a far higher standard of football than CONCACAF. Donovan has numbers, but those are inflated by the competitive level of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean he isn't a great player; LD has been absolute quality and has had a positive impact on Everton. The World Cup performances speak for themselves. But using his goals/assists stats in comparison to some of those players mentioned is a bit like saying Arthur Rowley was a better player than Dixie Dean because he scored more goals. Context matters.

Donovan may well be better than most players in this league. But using his international stats to justify that claim doesn't pass muster. Your statistics for his time in the Premier League make your point. What he does against Fulham or Villa matters exponentially more to this discussion than what he does against El Salvador and Belize.

NFL is one of the best-run leagues. But the NBA and NHL are shambolic and MLS would have been dead years ago had it not been for Anschutz's funding (Thankfully, that situation improves with every passing year.). There are many sport leagues operating under bad business models. The United States isn't immune to poorly-run clubs and leagues.
 

To be fair, UEFA is a far higher standard of football than CONCACAF. Donovan has numbers, but those are inflated by the competitive level of CONCACAF. Doesn't mean he isn't a great player; LD has been absolute quality and has had a positive impact on Everton. The World Cup performances speak for themselves. But using his goals/assists stats in comparison to some of those players mentioned is a bit like saying Arthur Rowley was a better player than Dixie Dean because he scored more goals. Context matters.

Donovan may well be better than most players in this league. But using his international stats to justify that claim doesn't pass muster. Your statistics for his time in the Premier League make your point. What he does against Fulham or Villa matters exponentially more to this discussion than what he does against El Salvador and Belize.

This is an argument that is tossed out a lot, but there are other factors to consider in terms of context:

1. You are right, I don't disagree that the numbers are inflated due to the lack of defending skills of some of the nations in CONCACAF. Can't disagree.

But to be fair there is also:
2. Those teams tend to bunker and play the US for a draw. Literally. Pack 11 men behind the ball and hope for a win and then...
3. ...play for the win at home, with a pitch that has divots the size of my head, some pitches that have no grass for large swatches, and referreeing that's well...dodgy to use a kind word. You have bad referring in Europe, but in CONCACAF we have games where there is serious consideration to the ref being either a) plain old inept or b) paid off.
4. Trying to score in environments that are hell. Pure hell. And I say this having seen some hellholes in Turkey. Try standing for a corner kick with a literal shower (and I mean shower, not two items) of plastic items, batteries, piss, beer and god knows what being thrown at your head. Welcome to Azteca and Saprissa - hell holes of the highest order on the road. Let me put it to you this way: Mexico has lost on the road to Jamaica. With the A team.
5. The other players. Landon Donovan is generating assists for Conor Casey, not RVP.

So I see your point, but there are other factors to consider before completely labeling the stats "inflated." If you don't focus on the numbers, which is fair, you can focus on the numbers being "a lot" and more than DOUBLE the nearest person on the national team side (Eric Wynalda). If you add club and country, the goals and assists tally are nearly TRIPLE the next contestant (which is indeed rapidly becoming Clint Dempsey). If you want to compare to Europeans, I would also focus on the magnitude, rather than the number. He'll have greater than 100 goals and assists by the time he's done. Even if you take 25% of that number away for an "adjustment" it's still impressive.

So I think using his international stats is quite relevant to this discussion knowing what I've written above.

Sorry, I didn't want to get into a debate on this, but I did want to point out that qualifying through CONCACAF, though easier than qualifying through Europe, no disagreement there, is no cakewalk due to a completely different set of challenges.

Oh, and I don't think he's a "world beater" either, whatever that means nowadays. He can get into any premier league side except the top 4/5 - agree with that thought based on his talent. Neither of the Manchester teams, not Spurs. Maybe Chelsea and maybe Arsenal if Arsene would consider hiring someone over the age of 21. Doubt it. :P Everyone else, he's got a decent shot, pending I'm sure some exceptions in a few places.
 
Some great players there. Now how many of them have 50 assists and 50 goals for their country? How many have 5 goals in the World Cup finals?

Do you think that it might be a possibility that you have blinders on and not all of us?

The reason that he never left the US is because he loves LA and he wanted to help build the league in his own country. BTW a league that could possibly be the best in the world in the future he would have helped lay the foundation with his humility.

The NFL is the best business run sport in the world. American businessmen have a little bit of experience running leagues. Soccer all over the world is in immense debt. That is a bad business plan.

In the whole of this thread I have not once said Landon is a bad player, in fact If anybody cares to read the whole thread I have agreed that he has been one of our better players and that he is an above average premier league player,,, some posters verbal attacks back are bordering on ranting...... hypothetical question though,,,, if LD was English and was playing in the prem now do you think he would have 50 caps foe England and 50 assists ???
 
People who think he's just average or don't think we'll miss him are talking out of their ass pure and simple and frankly, I'd question their ability to watch a football match and understand what's happening.

Donovan has been a revelation for us both times he's been with us and there's a reason why the MAJORITY of Evertonians are clamoring for his permanent signature.
so because I have an opinion which differs to yours you lower yourself to personal attacks..... How would you know what my level of football knowledge is ??? My opinion is just that, my opinion.... i'm not asking you agree and im not attacking you for your views also im not questioning your football knowledge.
 
your conveniantly changing his position to suit your argument... NANI, ASHLEY YOUNG, VALENCIA, MILNER. ADAM JOHNSON, OXLADE CHAMBERLAIN, ROSITSKY, AARON LENNON, SCOTT PARKER AND KUYT..........there's 10 players i would take ahead of him off the top of my head,,,, could be more if I took the time to think about it.

I'm not changing his position, i'm pointing out his versatility.

He's a lot better than Kuyt.
 

In the whole of this thread I have not once said Landon is a bad player, in fact If anybody cares to read the whole thread I have agreed that he has been one of our better players and that he is an above average premier league player,,, some posters verbal attacks back are bordering on ranting...... hypothetical question though,,,, if LD was English and was playing in the prem now do you think he would have 50 caps foe England and 50 assists ???
50 goals not caps. If Landon was English and scored a goal against Poland and a goal against Mexico in his first world cup at age 20 then he would have been at Manchester United to this day if he hadn't already switched to Real Madrid.

If you are asking if Donovan would get the same caps on team England definitely. Look at the last World Cup and compare Donovan's big time performance against Rooney's or anyone else's in the England squad in the same group.
 
50 goals not caps. If Landon was English and scored a goal against Poland and a goal against Mexico in his first world cup at age 20 than he would have been at Manchester United to this day if he hadn't already switched to Real Madrid.

If you are asking if Donovan would get the same caps on team England definitely. Look at the last World Cup and compare Donovan's big time performance against Rooney's or anyone else's in the England squad in the same group.

so in effect you are saying he is a better player than any of englands right sided midfielders in the last ten years ...
 
ok, so in effect you are saying he is better than any england right sided midfielder or attacker in the last ten years ..

You are the one that asked the question about him being English and getting caps. I never tried to say anything bad about the English team or anything but in the international game sure. Landon would drop people to the bench on team England. Is there anyone on England that have his stats?

Imagine Theo Walcott or Aaron Lennon if they were smart. That would be Landon 8 years ago.
 

Strange argument. Fact of the matter is that this squad is much better with him than without. I don't see how that's arguable.
 
Strange argument. Fact of the matter is that this squad is much better with him than without. I don't see how that's arguable.

it's not arguable,,, my original point at the start of all this bitchfest was the fact that I, me, not anybody else,,, could'nt see the whole fuss over Landon ,,, i still don't think he is the answer to our problems,,, is he a decent player ?? yes he is..... is he up there with the best ???? no he's not.... simple ... my opinion.
 
You are the one that asked the question about him being English and getting caps. I never tried to say anything bad about the English team or anything but in the international game sure. Landon would drop people to the bench on team England. Is there anyone on England that have his stats?

Imagine Theo Walcott or Aaron Lennon if they were smart. That would be Landon 8 years ago.

Beckham, owen , Rooney......... would he have played before any of them ??? serious question.
 

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