The future of Marco Silva

The future of Marco Silva hangs in the balance, but irresponsibility runs through the club.

When the final whistle went yesterday against Burnley, it felt like a collective ‘this again’ was felt by absolutely everyone. This was supposed to be different. Marco Silva with the guidance of Brands was supposed to be different from what went before, but truth be told, they all look the same.

You can probably name the date it started to take a downward trajectory for Marco Silva, Deadline Day. When it was announced that there would be no replacement for Kurt Zouma, that there would be no Wilfried Zaha and Abdoulaye Doucoure would not be joining the club, any offerings to change style from Marco Silva were so to speak dead and buried for we already seen in the twelve months previous to that his opinions on some of the fringe players in the squad. So therefore, Marco Silva has felt like he has had to go with the same old formation with many of the same old players.

For sure, Silva has been wrong to do so but he is not alone in recklessness. Marcel Brands is heralded as a man who gets the job done and does not leave any sense of doubt going into a season in terms of playing squad. Well that is not the case. Marco Silva has been left short in terms of playing squad and even Brands’ staunchest fan cannot state otherwise. The general consensus is that it was only in defence that we were left short but I find it hard to see how not having another central defender alone is the cause of all our problems. 

In midfield we are slightly lacking, with Idrissa Gueye leaving the club, you do not have to be a world renowned director of football to workout that to replace someone of the quality of Gana them you are going to need many options, horses for courses if you like. We did manage to bring in Gbamin as a direct replacement but the only other ‘new’ midfielder we brought in was Fabian Delph, both good midfielders in their own right but it was not enough to replace someone of Gana’s quality. That’s why he wanted Doucoure, even Lemina was linked. They did not come. If you are serious about breaking the top six, you have to pay the fee and accept that it is taking you in the right direction, as opposed to accepting a substandard window for the ‘net spend’ bragging rights.

But the crème de la crème is the lack of defender. It was mooted in May that it would be difficult to bring in Kurt Zouma, so why are scrambling around on the last day for run of the mill, nondescript players like Chris Smalling and Marcos Rojo. Individually, Michael Keane and Yerry Mina are good defenders, collectively they are hit and miss, we have not kept a league clean sheet since the victory against a hapless Watford side, and apart from Manchester City, you cannot say we have played anyone of note. 

Then there is the manager. Realistically in the short to medium term he will lose his job, not because of recruitment blunders solely but because he just not very good at winning games at football consistently. It does not take a Pep Guardiola to win games in the Premier League. Currently, Roy Hodgson and Sean Dyche are 4th and 5th in the Premier League. It is widely accepted that they are both not ‘elite managers’ but they are very good at what they do and everything that they do has a logical plan to it. Marco Silva genuinely baffles me. Nothing he does ever seems to make much sense, especially having watched his Hull and Watford teams. They played with exuberance and whilst naïve defensively they had a clear identity and a style to them. Marco Silva’s Everton does not have that. They are boring, predictable and scared.

Whether Silva will lose his job remains to be seen. Presumably the board are reluctant to because of the lack of any top manager around, and that is probably my position also. Either way, a big couple of weeks await the club and for this season anyway, the reaction against West Ham is make or break for the season coming up. 

Show Comments (90)
  1. [QUOTE=”Pab Laa, post: 7335174, member: 49937″]
    Wow, just read a statistic I had heard of but never really gave it more thought…

    Everton have now lost ALL 20 MATCHES when we have conceded the first goal under Marco…

    This is beyond acceptable in no other terms… Maybe the run in of last season just papered over the cracks and I genuinely thought he’d turn it around but I’m realising now, it’s not gonna happen…

    Geez Louise was I naive!?!
    [/QUOTE]

    You mean prem? Lincoln scores first I think, I’m not sticking up for him btw I want him gone

  2. [QUOTE=”Khalekan, post: 7335234, member: 7226″]
    Indeed, Frank.

    The minute I see Schneiderlin’s name in the starting XI I lose all hope.
    [/QUOTE]
    One of my best mates is a Utd season ticket holder And he said the Utd fans even then, were glad to see the back of him.

  3. [QUOTE=”TwoWreathsOneTower, post: 7335164, member: 51785″]
    People are asking for change but Marco Silva’s number one belief in football is organisation, he believes a side must be well drilled in a strict system 4231. Each player is aware of their exact role in every phase of play. So Richarlison will know exactly he should be no matter who or where the ball is on the pitch.

    The offence is mainly counter attack or possession based pressure building (like Man City). The use with Silvas counter is that the ball is worked wide towards say RW Richarlison, the centre forward Moise Kean should dove tail between the near defending LB and LCB then support should arrive from our full back Coleman and one of the two midfielders Gbamin/Gomes while Delph sits. Therefore we would have four players overloading the RW area.

    Unfortunately the system is flawed when Gomes or Gbamin aren’t playing, the full back isn’t supporting (Coleman). Now we know Gbamin is nowhere near match fitness and Gomes seems to have a underlying issue. Silva will change some of his sessions but he will not change the shape (organisation) of the side even though we have no centre midfielder capable of doing the job he requires.

    He has a strict philosophy and he will keep playing his way until he is sacked or the results improve. Long term he isn’t versatile enough to be a top manager in England.
    [/QUOTE]

    The problem is, every other team knows what we’re trying to do…..

  4. [QUOTE=”Darth Toffeeman, post: 7335120, member: 15128″]
    However you dress it up with unlucky injuries or squad imbalance, this club should not be losing meekly to Villa, Bournemouth, Sheff United at home!, and Burnley. That is a sackable offence in anyones book.

    The 2 victories have been unconvincing.

    I wonder how much damage the loss of his assistant manager was. Since Boa Morte has come in we have played one dimensionally and predictably too.

    Change is needed. Change in necessary.

    I expect Brands has had a quite word with a few managers agents. I would expect someone who isn’t currently in the bookmakers favourites.

    Links to Van Bommel are in someways to be expected given the PSV connection.

    Whatever happens next simply has to be a positive move. The club really is on a knife edge with talks of a fabulous new stadium and challenging at the top, whilst in reality the club continues to flirt near the bottom and play atrocious, pilling on more misery to it’s success starved fanbase.
    [/QUOTE]

    Yes I agree with all of that. and Van Bommel could be an astute move.

  5. He’ll get up to, but not including, the Watford cup match. By then we should be firmly in the bottom three and Silva will be out the door; the fans hoping that David Unsworth can lead us to victory against the Hornets, while we wait for a permanent manager to be appointed. “Play the youth Davey, lad. Play the youth. Yer one of us, we’ll not slaughter you for it Davey, lad”. But we will.

  6. [QUOTE=”Frang, post: 7335232, member: 46123″]
    I think we are beaten as a silva team before we even get on the pitch these days
    [/QUOTE]

    Indeed, Frank.

    The minute I see Schneiderlin’s name in the starting XI I lose all hope.

  7. [QUOTE=”Khalekan, post: 7335229, member: 7226″]
    That can’t be right……I distinctly remember being at Goodison the midweek after Pickfordgate and we came from behind to earn a 1-1 draw with the Barcodes.

    But that is just pure nitpicking me saying that…..that is the only occasion I remember us gaining owt from a losing position since he came here.

    An incredible statistic if ever there was one,

    Under Silva, we are effectively beaten when the other team scores first.
    [/QUOTE]
    I think we are beaten as a silva team before we even get on the pitch these days

  8. [QUOTE=”Pab Laa, post: 7335174, member: 49937″]
    Wow, just read a statistic I had heard of but never really gave it more thought…

    Everton have now lost ALL 20 MATCHES when we have conceded the first goal under Marco…

    This is beyond acceptable in no other terms… Maybe the run in of last season just papered over the cracks and I genuinely thought he’d turn it around but I’m realising now, it’s not gonna happen…

    Geez Louise was I naive!?!
    [/QUOTE]

    That can’t be right……I distinctly remember being at Goodison the midweek after Pickfordgate and we came from behind to earn a 1-1 draw with the Barcodes.

    But that is just pure nitpicking me saying that…..that is the only occasion I remember us gaining owt from a losing position since he came here.

    An incredible statistic if ever there was one,

    Under Silva, we are effectively beaten when the other team scores first.

  9. [QUOTE=”Pab Laa, post: 7335174, member: 49937″]
    Wow, just read a statistic I had heard of but never really gave it more thought…

    Everton have now lost ALL 20 MATCHES when we have conceded the first goal under Marco…

    This is beyond acceptable in no other terms… Maybe the run in of last season just papered over the cracks and I genuinely thought he’d turn it around but I’m realising now, it’s not gonna happen…

    Geez Louise was I naive!?!
    [/QUOTE]
    Well that’s just not true. The truth really really isn’t much better, but we haven’t lost EVERY match when going behind, we’ve just not won one after conceding first. But also something terrble like only 4 draws and the rest losses.

  10. [QUOTE=”Pab Laa, post: 7335174, member: 49937″]
    Wow, just read a statistic I had heard of but never really gave it more thought…

    Everton have now lost ALL 20 MATCHES when we have conceded the first goal under Marco…

    This is beyond acceptable in no other terms… Maybe the run in of last season just papered over the cracks and I genuinely thought he’d turn it around but I’m realising now, it’s not gonna happen…

    Geez Louise was I naive!?!
    [/QUOTE]
    He had these stats at hull and Watford too.

    This isn’t a new thing, yet he was employed by our owner.

    I have zero faith in them sorting this out. Or If they do, I don’t think they will employ the right candidate either

    This team are in for a giant battle to stay in this league this season.

  11. [QUOTE=”4737carlin, post: 7335173, member: 17264″]
    Thing is we said that about Burnley, and the idiot is still here, losing to West Ham is no worse, lose that and it will be Brighton is must win….etc the time to go has come, there wont be a better time then now.
    [/QUOTE]
    It’s very very concerning that we are not acting… Very worrying.

  12. Wow, just read a statistic I had heard of but never really gave it more thought…

    Everton have now lost ALL 20 MATCHES when we have conceded the first goal under Marco…

    This is beyond acceptable in no other terms… Maybe the run in of last season just papered over the cracks and I genuinely thought he’d turn it around but I’m realising now, it’s not gonna happen…

    Geez Louise was I naive!?!

  13. [QUOTE=”Mark barnett, post: 7335138, member: 37427″]
    West ham will be critical for him if as its a home game that he must win to survive in my opinion.
    [/QUOTE]
    Thing is we said that about Burnley, and the idiot is still here, losing to West Ham is no worse, lose that and it will be Brighton is must win….etc the time to go has come, there wont be a better time then now.

  14. [QUOTE=”Mark barnett, post: 7335138, member: 37427″]
    West ham will be critical for him if as its a home game that he must win to survive in my opinion.
    [/QUOTE]
    Haller, the striker he ought to have signed, will put him to the sword.

  15. People are asking for change but Marco Silva’s number one belief in football is organisation, he believes a side must be well drilled in a strict system 4231. Each player is aware of their exact role in every phase of play. So Richarlison will know exactly he should be no matter who or where the ball is on the pitch.

    The offence is mainly counter attack or possession based pressure building (like Man City). The use with Silvas counter is that the ball is worked wide towards say RW Richarlison, the centre forward Moise Kean should dove tail between the near defending LB and LCB then support should arrive from our full back Coleman and one of the two midfielders Gbamin/Gomes while Delph sits. Therefore we would have four players overloading the RW area.

    Unfortunately the system is flawed when Gomes or Gbamin aren’t playing, the full back isn’t supporting (Coleman). Now we know Gbamin is nowhere near match fitness and Gomes seems to have a underlying issue. Silva will change some of his sessions but he will not change the shape (organisation) of the side even though we have no centre midfielder capable of doing the job he requires.

    He has a strict philosophy and he will keep playing his way until he is sacked or the results improve. Long term he isn’t versatile enough to be a top manager in England.

  16. West ham will be critical for him if as its a home game that he must win to survive in my opinion.

  17. [QUOTE=”catcherintherye, post: 7334194, member: 14968″]
    As I’ve just put above, after Sheffield United the board (and primarily Brands) should have been informally sounding people out. If they haven’t started already that really has to be starting now. That doesn’t mean you automatically sack Silva, but you get an idea of whether a manager would be interested, and in time whether the club will play ball.

    You then have an easy decision to make. You either believe you can get better in, or you feel Marco deserves more time. (It could be both, for example it could be Arteta is interested and would come, but we feel we want to give Silva until Christmas).

    Here’s the rub though, you need to be acting decisively on whatever you decide. So if he is going to stay, start getting some stories out into the press about some of the things he’s doing well and the benefits of being patient with a young manager. How we can only judge his team when he gets Gamin and Gomes fit etc etc. If he’s not our man make the change now. Because of you wait 2 more games (and defeats for example) suddenly an Arteta may have a change of heart.

    Any new manager will likely view the next 2 games as 4 points, potentially even 6 points. You take those games away, the fixtures turn a bit it starts to spiral.

    What really frustrates me is this radio silence we get and the inane drift towards the end with managers. At board level it seems there is an enormous amount of cowardice. People who are either too scared to face down the fans and give them some unpopular news on a manager, or too scared towards sacking a manager.
    [/QUOTE]

    However you dress it up with unlucky injuries or squad imbalance, this club should not be losing meekly to Villa, Bournemouth, Sheff United at home!, and Burnley. That is a sackable offence in anyones book.

    The 2 victories have been unconvincing.

    I wonder how much damage the loss of his assistant manager was. Since Boa Morte has come in we have played one dimensionally and predictably too.

    Change is needed. Change in necessary.

    I expect Brands has had a quite word with a few managers agents. I would expect someone who isn’t currently in the bookmakers favourites.

    Links to Van Bommel are in someways to be expected given the PSV connection.

    Whatever happens next simply has to be a positive move. The club really is on a knife edge with talks of a fabulous new stadium and challenging at the top, whilst in reality the club continues to flirt near the bottom and play atrocious, pilling on more misery to it’s success starved fanbase.

  18. [QUOTE=”Everton1970, post: 7333528, member: 52713″]
    Why do some of our fans want what’s bad for us? Some wanting City to beat us, wanting a club that could be a rival for relegation to win? I don’t get it. I can understand fans wanting Marco out but we’ve just lost ANOTHER game, another club winning isn’t going to increase the pressure more. I maybe being dramatic over mentioning relegation, 2 weeks ago I’d have said ‘no way’ but every passing week I honestly think it’s a possibility. Can’t score, can’t defend, weak midfield. I don’t want any of the clubs below us winning.
    [/QUOTE]
    Its the four clubs above us that I don,t want to see start winning, As up to Sheff Utd we will have to mix it because on paper at moment we are in the same boat and same par as these four.

  19. I`m still really irritated and peed of this absolute fraud is still at the club stealing a living…

  20. [QUOTE=”brieverton, post: 7334176, member: 39206″]
    He either has the clubs confidence or he doesn’t, really.

    My guess is that the relationship between Silva and Brands isn’t at all like the relationship between boss and employee you would find in a traditional working environment. Silva is on a millionaires salary, I assume Brands is the same, and at that level, a manager is assumed to be competent enough to perform the role until the second the axe is wielded. The king is dead, long live the (erm… caretaker) king.

    I’m sure there are targets and general reviews, but the minute Brands feels he has to sit down with Silva to discuss zonal marking and playing two holding midfielders is the time when Brands goes to the board and says we need to bin this guy.
    [/QUOTE]
    My opinion- Think their both in the same bed together. Between them have settled on both praising each other when they are confronted in the boardroom. My problem thought is- If they both don,t go at the same time, will a new manager of substance be able to work with Brands with what he has done, and his methods since being here. which again in my opinion, is not a lot. Thoughts ?

  21. Zonal Marking says it all really and playing Siggy with Scheinderlin it’s like two red cards handed out at the start of every game.

  22. Difficult for me to lay all the blame on him, or even the majority of it. Yes he has not adapted at all, but I just don’t know what the club were thinking when we lose our best player (Gana) and our best CB (Zouma) from last year with no replacements. Also, 3 years on and we still have not come close to replacing Lukaku’s goals up front.

    Sure we can make Marco the scapegoat (as long as there is a ready and reasonable replacement) but Brands and ownership must answer for the poor transfer business.

  23. [QUOTE=”catcherintherye, post: 7334194, member: 14968″]
    As I’ve just put above, after Sheffield United the board (and primarily Brands) should have been informally sounding people out. If they haven’t started already that really has to be starting now. That doesn’t mean you automatically sack Silva, but you get an idea of whether a manager would be interested, and in time whether the club will play ball.

    You then have an easy decision to make. You either believe you can get better in, or you feel Marco deserves more time. (It could be both, for example it could be Arteta is interested and would come, but we feel we want to give Silva until Christmas).

    Here’s the rub though, you need to be acting decisively on whatever you decide. So if he is going to stay, start getting some stories out into the press about some of the things he’s doing well and the benefits of being patient with a young manager. How we can only judge his team when he gets Gamin and Gomes fit etc etc. If he’s not our man make the change now. Because of you wait 2 more games (and defeats for example) suddenly an Arteta may have a change of heart.

    Any new manager will likely view the next 2 games as 4 points, potentially even 6 points. You take those games away, the fixtures turn a bit it starts to spiral.

    What really frustrates me is this radio silence we get and the inane drift towards the end with managers. At board level it seems there is an enormous amount of cowardice. People who are either too scared to face down the fans and give them some unpopular news on a manager, or too scared towards sacking a manager.
    [/QUOTE]

    They should be haunted by the six-week spectacle of what happened after firing Koeman and having no plan in place for succession, other than expecting Watford to capitulate to suit us.

    We were a running joke nationally and in the media for weeks.

    If they have decided to get rid now (which I highly doubt) then it is best to say and do nothing until they have a replacement more or less secured. Then they have two whole weeks to make phone calls and put arrangements in place. Brands should be busy with this now even if he is inclined to persist with Silva.

    Watford do it brutally – two quick-fire tweets – goodbye and thanks and hello and welcome. It’s a little unsavoury in some respect but you can’t deny it provides certainty and clarity.

  24. [QUOTE=”Greengrass, post: 7334174, member: 49303″]
    We deserve it at present.
    [/QUOTE]
    Oh yeah we do we are massively underperforming. But even if we play good and beat all the top teams they always say it was because they was crap not we were good.

  25. Would help himself if he dropped zonal marking and went man to man. Yes we got it right last season after 20 odd games and was very effective, but over the summer break we have lost it again. Also Sigurdsson is a top player but he doesn’t suit the way we want to play, so he need to put iwobi in that position and play Bernard on the left. We would automatically look a lot better. Then go 433 please I was so excited when we got him for the formation plays, he even said in first interview that is his formation, we haven’t seen it yet. I’m not saying that will make us sky rocket up the league but will improve us.

  26. [QUOTE=”brieverton, post: 7334176, member: 39206″]
    He either has the clubs confidence or he doesn’t, really.

    My guess is that the relationship between Silva and Brands isn’t at all like the relationship between boss and employee you would find in a traditional working environment. Silva is on a millionaires salary, I assume Brands is the same, and at that level, a manager is assumed to be competent enough to perform the role until the second the axe is wielded. The king is dead, long live the (erm… caretaker) king.

    I’m sure there are targets and general reviews, but the minute Brands feels he has to sit down with Silva to discuss zonal marking and playing two holding midfielders is the time when Brands goes to the board and says we need to bin this guy.
    [/QUOTE]

    As I’ve just put above, after Sheffield United the board (and primarily Brands) should have been informally sounding people out. If they haven’t started already that really has to be starting now. That doesn’t mean you automatically sack Silva, but you get an idea of whether a manager would be interested, and in time whether the club will play ball.

    You then have an easy decision to make. You either believe you can get better in, or you feel Marco deserves more time. (It could be both, for example it could be Arteta is interested and would come, but we feel we want to give Silva until Christmas).

    Here’s the rub though, you need to be acting decisively on whatever you decide. So if he is going to stay, start getting some stories out into the press about some of the things he’s doing well and the benefits of being patient with a young manager. How we can only judge his team when he gets Gamin and Gomes fit etc etc. If he’s not our man make the change now. Because of you wait 2 more games (and defeats for example) suddenly an Arteta may have a change of heart.

    Any new manager will likely view the next 2 games as 4 points, potentially even 6 points. You take those games away, the fixtures turn a bit it starts to spiral.

    What really frustrates me is this radio silence we get and the inane drift towards the end with managers. At board level it seems there is an enormous amount of cowardice. People who are either too scared to face down the fans and give them some unpopular news on a manager, or too scared towards sacking a manager.

  27. [QUOTE=”Greengrass, post: 7334165, member: 49303″]
    Lads ! Everton being pulled apart. Talksport NOW.
    [/QUOTE]

    ????????????????

    YOU MEAN TALKSPORT ARE BEING EDGY IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO RING AND GIVE THEM MONEY???????????????????????????????????

    THIS IS A BRAND NEW PLOY

  28. [QUOTE=”blueblue, post: 7334142, member: 9043″]
    In America having an ” intervention ” seems to be the popular thing to do for somebody who is struggling in work or in life.

    It seems that it starts by confronting the person with reality and if you can get them to accept that then you can move forward from there.

    Something like that is needed with our manager at the moment. If he believes that picking the same team weak after weak and playing the same formation week after week and expects that somehow results are going to change significantly then definitely somebody needs to interevene… if only we had a DOF at the club.
    [/QUOTE]

    This is probably one of my bigger gripes with the club. They let things drift. Even though we have sacked a lot of managers recently, in each case there’s probably a feeling they all went on 3-4-5 games too many. If Silva is sacked after losing the next 2 what is the point?

    I know they look nuts, but at least Watford act. They move quickly. It may not be in a direction I’d like, but they know how they operate it and they are clinical.

    A conversation really needs to be had at board level now as to what they are going to do. This conversation in truth probably should have started after the Sheffield United result. Are we going to back the manager, or are we going to start sounding out alternatives. In the 2-3 weeks that has followed you ought to have some idea of the calibre of manager you can attract and know whether it’s a decision you wish to make. If the view if Arteta wouldn’t come, and we’d be looking at David Moyes (I’m giving a worst case scenario) then you can understand them keeping Silva.

    If they started after Sheffield United though, and they are not in a position during this international week to act then they are not doing the job well enough. Or they haven’t been proactive enough after Sheffield United.

    If they want to keep the manager, then he really needs more support. Brands should doing an interview with the media stating the window left us 1 or 2 players short and a mixture of injuries and some bad fortune give the table a brutal feel. He needs to state Silva is playing one of the youngest squads in the league and we are confident results will come. This should also be reiterated by DBB and Kenwright. We have known for some time Kenwright and DBB are cowards and hide but it’s a shame Brands is not doing more.

    And privately yes, do an intervention. Let him know it will spiral very quickly and there’s only so much that can be done. That the supporters are riled by certain players always being picked, that a small thing like putting Gordon in for some minutes ahead of Walcott will help him. Some honest suggestions.

    Either way though you have to start from the position of is he our man or not. If he’s not, get rid. If you are unsure you could get better in leak that to the press (something akin to, it’s not so easy as to chop and change managers). If you still have faith get out and defend him. However the dragging out process of the final few weeks has been poorly handled for some time now.

  29. Has players that should be beating shef united at home. Has shown he wont adapt the team i want him gone i have lost all faith in him

  30. He either has the clubs confidence or he doesn’t, really.

    My guess is that the relationship between Silva and Brands isn’t at all like the relationship between boss and employee you would find in a traditional working environment. Silva is on a millionaires salary, I assume Brands is the same, and at that level, a manager is assumed to be competent enough to perform the role until the second the axe is wielded. The king is dead, long live the (erm… caretaker) king.

    I’m sure there are targets and general reviews, but the minute Brands feels he has to sit down with Silva to discuss zonal marking and playing two holding midfielders is the time when Brands goes to the board and says we need to bin this guy.

  31. [QUOTE=”Greengrass, post: 7334165, member: 49303″]
    Lads ! Everton being pulled apart. Talksport NOW.
    [/QUOTE]
    All media love taking the piss out of us.

  32. In America having an ” intervention ” seems to be the popular thing to do for somebody who is struggling in work or in life.

    It seems that it starts by confronting the person with reality and if you can get them to accept that then you can move forward from there.

    Something like that is needed with our manager at the moment. If he believes that picking the same team weak after weak and playing the same formation week after week and expects that somehow results are going to change significantly then definitely somebody needs to interevene… if only we had a DOF at the club.

  33. Not at the sack him now stage but doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result seems to be his approach though. If he continues with that approach, even in the short term, and doesn’t get the results then I will jump on the band wagon.

  34. I don’t think he get sacked yet but unless Sig get dropped and we change formation the pressure will climb

  35. [QUOTE=”edge, post: 7334087, member: 117″]
    Still baffled what he has done to get a job like Everton , never really been that sure of him myself, but don’t think they will sack him just yet, [B]and in fairness i am sure if he could have been given a centre half and established striker that we have needed since the end of last season , we wouldn’t be sitting were we are.[/B]
    The board are in a bit of a dilemma they will want to give him time but they cant let it drift performance wise as we have been, let’s face it it’s not because we are unlucky we are not picking up points, they are not playing well even pre season.
    He will have to show signs quickly he can turn it around, change it about tactics/player wise as we are to predictable/easy to play against.
    I haven’t seen anything to suggest he can do this up to now hope he proves me wrong for everybody’s sake.
    [/QUOTE]

    I have to admit I’m not as sure as you.

  36. Still baffled what he has done to get a job like Everton , never really been that sure of him myself, but don’t think they will sack him just yet, and in fairness i am sure if he could have been given a centre half and established striker that we have needed since the end of last season , we wouldn’t be sitting were we are.
    The board are in a bit of a dilemma they will want to give him time but they cant let it drift performance wise as we have been, let’s face it it’s not because we are unlucky we are not picking up points, they are not playing well even pre season.
    He will have to show signs quickly he can turn it around, change it about tactics/player wise as we are to predictable/easy to play against.
    I haven’t seen anything to suggest he can do this up to now hope he proves me wrong for everybody’s sake.

  37. [URL unfurl=”true”]https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-everton-boss-marco-silva-14738245[/URL]

    Echo has him at £3m a year with incentives. Less than trustworthy source, I know.

  38. I can’t provide the original link, but I’m sure I read previously that he was on £1.5m a year.

  39. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7333599, member: 8777″]
    Will cost at least £8.2m to get rid of him by all accounts.

    What a joke this club is.
    [/QUOTE]

    Where have you seen that mate? I’ve read it’s as little as 3 million (on twitter mind) and his contract is heavily incentivised. I’d be surprised if we were paying him £5 million a season.

  40. [QUOTE=”Lord Buckethead, post: 7333802, member: 45123″]
    Surely we could just find someone who we could get in as a specialist Set Pieces coach?
    This Squad needs drilled both defensively and offensively, has been the same since Moyes left.

    What are we actually doing in training?
    [/QUOTE]

    Winning the possession stats, obviously

  41. “It does not take a Pep Guardiola to win games in the Premier League. Currently, Roy Hodgson and Sean Dyche are 4th and 5th in the Premier League. It is widely accepted that they are both not ‘elite managers’ but they are very good at what they do and everything that they do has a logical plan to it.”
    [IMG]https://media1.tenor.com/images/8ce359499006d848202085fd2b4eaa05/tenor.gif?itemid=13729441[/IMG]

  42. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7333599, member: 8777″]
    Will cost at least £8.2m to get rid of him by all accounts.

    What a joke this club is.
    [/QUOTE]

    So we have not learnt the contract should be incentive related?

  43. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7333599, member: 8777″]
    Will cost at least £8.2m to get rid of him by all accounts.

    What a joke this club is.
    [/QUOTE]
    If that’s true it’s a disgrace

  44. Surely we could just find someone who we could get in as a specialist Set Pieces coach?
    This Squad needs drilled both defensively and offensively, has been the same since Moyes left.

    What are we actually doing in training?

  45. [QUOTE=”Baines’ left foot, post: 7333599, member: 8777″]
    Will cost at least £8.2m to get rid of him by all accounts.

    What a joke this club is.
    [/QUOTE]
    How you figure that? He’s reportedly on £3m a season, that would put it about £5m, no?

  46. [QUOTE=”mrb85, post: 7333475, member: 16262″]
    No chance. You can bet your life that Kenright will have already sounded out Moyes and that he’ll be back should we lose to West Ham.
    [/QUOTE]
    Hope not, the man who would rather draw 0-0 than win 2-1, clean sheet was more important to him than anything.

  47. [QUOTE=”mrb85, post: 7333475, member: 16262″]
    No chance. You can bet your life that Kenright will have already sounded out Moyes and that he’ll be back should we lose to West Ham.
    [/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately, I think this may be a very real scenario mate.

  48. [QUOTE=”Bryan, post: 7333588, member: 28206″]
    He won’t. Only got 1.5 years left on his contract.
    [/QUOTE]
    Shame, our proud record will be well and truly smashed. Unless he goes on a 5 game win streak and gets a new contract. The Mirallas of managers. Everton that.

  49. Will cost at least £8.2m to get rid of him by all accounts.

    What a joke this club is.

  50. [QUOTE=”Bryan, post: 7333588, member: 28206″]
    He won’t. Only got 1.5 years left on his contract.
    [/QUOTE]

    At least he won’t be able to rinse the club like that last 3 have.

  51. [QUOTE=”Daveysgingerlovechild, post: 7333569, member: 23149″]
    Will probably get a huge pay off and manage an international team with Everton essentially supplementing said team’s salary for him. Not that we have form for that…
    [/QUOTE]
    He won’t. Only got 1.5 years left on his contract.

  52. Will probably get a huge pay off and manage an international team with the Ev essentially supplementing said team’s salary for him. Not that we have form for that…

  53. [QUOTE=”Rich B, post: 7333015, member: 3231″]
    I think Silva might have gone already if it wasn’t for the egg on Farhad’s face going all out to bring him to Everton on the back of a decent run of results in the early part of his first season at Watford.

    I agree with the post above about Everton having become a multi million pound corporation that’s hard to love. But it’s not just the money, it’s the self interest that goes along with it – the egos. But go back to our pre investment days and that’s what we wanted… a major investor to come in. That’s the way the game has gone, so it’s not just our club that’s hard to love , it’s the professional game.
    [/QUOTE]
    We are also customers, rather than supporters!

  54. [QUOTE=”Archie Knox, post: 7333022, member: 54469″]
    After our defeat, I actually wanted Newcastle to win to put us into the bottom 3 over the international break and add that extra layer of pressure on the board to take action. To not make moves to remove Silva immediately is beyond unacceptable from our board. Are they waiting for us to get relegated before they replace him?

    By the way, given Silva gets his contract paid whether he sees it out or is sacked, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s downed tools already and is hoping for the axe.
    [/QUOTE]

    Why do some of our fans want what’s bad for us? Some wanting City to beat us, wanting a club that could be a rival for relegation to win? I don’t get it. I can understand fans wanting Marco out but we’ve just lost ANOTHER game, another club winning isn’t going to increase the pressure more. I maybe being dramatic over mentioning relegation, 2 weeks ago I’d have said ‘no way’ but every passing week I honestly think it’s a possibility. Can’t score, can’t defend, weak midfield. I don’t want any of the clubs below us winning.

  55. [QUOTE=”mrb85, post: 7333475, member: 16262″]
    No chance. You can bet your life that Kenright will have already sounded out Moyes and that he’ll be back should we lose to West Ham.
    [/QUOTE]
    Sat in the Main Stand with his Grim Reaper suit on.

  56. International Break fume notwithstanding…which will taper off as the West Ham game gets nearer.

    He’ll be here up to the day before Bommy Night
    Poch and Spurs will find their collective Mojo
    Severely spank us and it’ll be Koeman / Arsenal 2.0

  57. [QUOTE=”ilikecheese, post: 7333020, member: 5423″]
    Hopefully this is rock bottom.

    Prefer that to defo rock bottom on my birthday with [B]Fat Sam o[/B]n the horizon in late November that year
    [/QUOTE]
    No chance. You can bet your life that Kenright will have already sounded out Moyes and that he’ll be back should we lose to West Ham.

  58. The future holds other football clubs and millions and millions. What a profession to break into. The money is obscene as is but you can get away with being a public failure and gave an option of contracts
    . You have to lie like mad in interviews and scrap by on the dole to if you fail at a job normally.

  59. He lost his head and too scared to make changes now and hoping that we will start winning again just by playing the same tactics every game.

    I’ve noticed that the players are not pressing at usual. Sig used to be always pressuring the opposition but dont see that at the moment. Have the players lost faith in him?

  60. [QUOTE=”GrandOldTeam, post: 7332055, member: 1″]
    You’re a tit x

    (Sorry mods, will take the warning)
    [/QUOTE]

    sorry was it you?

    was a bit harsh, thought it was from BBC or something lol

  61. [QUOTE=”ilikecheese, post: 7333020, member: 5423″]
    Hopefully this is rock bottom.

    Prefer that to defo rock bottom on my birthday with Fat Sam on the horizon in late November that year
    [/QUOTE]
    You will be surprised how many more bottoms this guy will discover if he is still around…

  62. After our defeat, I actually wanted Newcastle to win to put us into the bottom 3 over the international break and add that extra layer of pressure on the board to take action. To not make moves to remove Silva immediately is beyond unacceptable from our board. Are they waiting for us to get relegated before they replace him?

    By the way, given Silva gets his contract paid whether he sees it out or is sacked, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s downed tools already and is hoping for the axe.

  63. Hopefully this is rock bottom.

    Prefer that to defo rock bottom on my birthday with Fat Sam on the horizon in late November that year

  64. I think Silva might have gone already if it wasn’t for the egg on Farhad’s face going all out to bring him to Everton on the back of a decent run of results in the early part of his first season at Watford.

    I agree with the post above about Everton having become a multi million pound corporation that’s hard to love. But it’s not just the money, it’s the self interest that goes along with it – the egos. But go back to our pre investment days and that’s what we wanted… a major investor to come in. That’s the way the game has gone, so it’s not just our club that’s hard to love , it’s the professional game.

  65. [QUOTE=”Death, post: 7333004, member: 43971″]
    The future holds other football clubs and millions and millions. What a profession to break into. The money is obscene as is but you can get away with being a public failure and gave an option of contracts
    . You have to ly like mad in interviews and scrap by on the dole to if you fail at a job normally.
    [/QUOTE]

    This is something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. What’s even more out of touch is the employers are more than happy to part with tens of millions of pounds to keep sacking these people because they know that money will just recycle itself back around come the next financial year.

    It’s becoming harder and harder to even care about these multi-billion pound corporations. This is not our football club anymore.

  66. The future holds other football clubs and millions and millions. What a profession to break into. The money is obscene as is but you can get away with being a public failure and gave an option of contracts
    . You have to ly like mad in interviews and scrap by on the dole to if you fail at a job normally.

  67. Marco silva has no logic to his football. Even a baseball coach could come up with a more creative starting lineup than Silva

  68. My Dad always told me to be wary of short men with shifty eyes.

    My Mum told me to be very wary of `big’ men with big ears and a swarmy smile.

    Bexit could be the excuse to get them both off this island.

  69. [QUOTE=”TheVelourFog, post: 7331970, member: 47198″]
    Who wrote that? Spelling and grammatical errors abound. How about taking 5 minutes to read before publishing.
    [/QUOTE]

    You’re a tit x

    (Sorry mods, will take the warning)

  70. Who wrote that? Spelling and grammatical errors abound. How about taking 5 minutes to read before publishing.

  71. [QUOTE=”sageyefc, post: 7331856, member: 19618″]
    missing out on a few signings doesn’t stop him from changing formation or dropping under performing players, he’s a stubborn shithouse
    [/QUOTE]

    100%

  72. Seems to be written by Silva’s agent.
    You get the best out of the players available, from Guardiola, Klopp etc they all do it, they may have their preferred styles but they get the most out of their players, Silva very really does not.

  73. missing out on a few signings doesn’t stop him from changing formation or dropping under performing players, he’s a stubborn shithouse

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