"What is it with David Moyes and strikers?"

[dholliday]

Not my words, but I share the concern.

The Guardian's football writers I think describe the situation well enough:

There is a long list of strikers signed by David Moyes who have excelled for a season or so only to begin running the channels and chasing down throw-ins and then slump to mediocrity soon after.

Yep. Beattie, Bent, AJ, Yak, Jela...even Rooney's second season under Moyes was less goalscoring.


See point 10 here


What's the answer? More attack-minded coaches in the setup? We've had Sheedy and Dunc, tho' I wouldn't mind asking Cottee if he fancies a job as the striker's coach at our club. He wasn't one for running channels, but he was one for consistently scoring goals with instinctive finishing. Maybe our strikers need some of that instilled into them (and maybe Moyes needs to understand that a goalscrounger can ultimately be a stronger defence than a tracking-back striker).

[ijjysmith]

Interesting that a decent ish paper has now picked up on this too.

[kenada_blue]

Journo slow on the uptake shocker.

The only player to bag 10+ goals in 2 seasons under Moyes was Saha I believe.

Could be wrong.

[Christiffa25]

But don't all strikers run the channels??

Rvp Rooney do...Defoe does, augero certainly does, as does giround.

I find it very hard to believe that moyes doesn't ask players to run the channels for there first year. Then all of a sudden on impressing he reverts to asking them to continually run the channels. And then not realize this is not working but refuses to tell them not too and stay in the box.

If jelavic had scored 5 more goals this season by finishing better would anyone even be questioning a supposed running of the channels??

He just needs to slot more of his chances IMO.

[ijjysmith]

But don't all strikers run the channels??

Rvp Rooney do...Defoe does, augero certainly does, as does giround.

I find it very hard to believe that moyes doesn't ask players to run the channels for there first year. Then all of a sudden on impressing he reverts to asking them to continually run the channels. And then not realize this is not working but refuses to tell them not too and stay in the box.

If jelavic had scored 5 more goals this season by finishing better would anyone even be questioning a supposed running of the channels??

He just needs to slot more of his chances IMO.

Of course nobody would care if he was slotting this season. But he isn't and that's more of the point, rather than the running like a div down the wings.

The point is more why do strikers go crap after their first season with us?

Jelavic was so painful on Saturday. Like a horse that needs putting down.

[davek]

But don't all strikers run the channels??

Rvp Rooney do...Defoe does, augero certainly does, as does giround.

I find it very hard to believe that moyes doesn't ask players to run the channels for there first year. Then all of a sudden on impressing he reverts to asking them to continually run the channels. And then not realize this is not working but refuses to tell them not too and stay in the box.

If jelavic had scored 5 more goals this season by finishing better would anyone even be questioning a supposed running of the channels??

He just needs to slot more of his chances IMO.

No.

Moyes gets a lot wrong, but he cant be blamed for Jelavic standing in front of the goal and knocking it wide, high or right at the keeper.

[Christiffa25]

Of course nobody would care if he was slotting this season. But he isn't and that's more of the point, rather than the running like a div down the wings.

The point is more why do strikers go crap after their first season with us?

Jelavic was so painful on Saturday. Like a horse that needs putting down.

Maybe because we're signing average/good PL strikers not 25M world class ones??

[tasslehoff]

But don't all strikers run the channels??

Rvp Rooney do...Defoe does, augero certainly does, as does giround.

I find it very hard to believe that moyes doesn't ask players to run the channels for there first year. Then all of a sudden on impressing he reverts to asking them to continually run the channels. And then not realize this is not working but refuses to tell them not too and stay in the box.

If jelavic had scored 5 more goals this season by finishing better would anyone even be questioning a supposed running of the channels??

He just needs to slot more of his chances IMO.

This, it's not like he is not getting changes. He is just fluffing them now

[ijjysmith]

Maybe because we're signing average/good PL strikers not 25M world class ones??

Probably yes.

But that doesn't explain why they are boss for a bit. And then utter tripe the next.

[Pabbers]

Looks to me, that the first season they play on instinct and how they want to play, then 2nd season, they are more worked on, and coached by the staff to help the team.

We are a defensive team really, so our better players over the 10 years will be defenders. Moyes works well with defensive players. We try not to lose in games most of the time.

Some managers are attacking, some are defensive.

Maybe help on the attacking side would help, but I really dont think Moyes would take that help, as its like admitting you are bad at something, and we all know he thinks he is a very good mananger, working under the worst possible club set up, ever.

[bflefc]

[QUOTE=Pabbers;1786386]Looks to me, that the first season they play on instinct and how they want to play, then 2nd season, they are more worked on, and coached by the staff to help the team.

QUOTE]

I suggested the same in thw Jelavic thread a week or two back, and was laughed out of Dodge.

[Pabbers]

But I also think that the way we are using Fellaini is harming Jelavic's game.

Every attack is almost geared towards Fellaini, and with being a good player, and on the selfich side, he shoots on site more, rather than looking for the pass from deeper.

[Walken]

Maybe because we're signing average/good PL strikers not 25M world class ones??

On the face of it was your saying makes sense, but the trend under Moyes with strikers is an alarming one, it might just be coincidence, but you know what they say, if something happens twice it can be a coincidence, if it happens three times it will happen again

[harry]

No.

Moyes gets a lot wrong, but he cant be blamed for Jelavic standing in front of the goal and knocking it wide, high or right at the keeper.

True, Jelavic should have had at least 3 goals against reading. this wasn't down to moyes.

[Bruce Wayne]

Of course nobody would care if he was slotting this season. But he isn't and that's more of the point, rather than the running like a div down the wings.

The point is more why do strikers go crap after their first season with us?

Jelavic was so painful on Saturday. Like a horse that needs putting down.

And yet he had a decent chance that he probably should have stuck away. That wasn't really Moyes fault was it?

[Bryan]

I agree with what Dave and the article says, but there are very few strikers that consistently score, sadly loads go through a few games without scoring.

[Del]

Maybe the strikers we sign are just not that good

I mean Saha,Johnston,Beattie,Yak and Jelavic have hardly set the world alight have they

New player comes to a club plays out of the skin to impress in the first 6-7 months then dies off and finds there level

[Moomin]

I wish the papers would have a proper look at our finances and failed ground moves, instead of peddling the line that we are a well run club with a fantastic chairmen.

Talksport had Paddy Barclay on last week, and he said " I hope Everton win the FA cup for Bill Kenwright, he runs the club so well " fcuk me, i would hate to see him run it badly.

[alpha1]

The one thing I have noticed with these so called ruined strikers is that they don't go on to score bagfuls for their next clubs (with the exception of Yakubu who always scores a few to start with then forgets how to do it!)
Perhaps they just aren't that great in the first place?
I'm sure Moyes does tinker with them but as some have posted before, he is not asking them to do something that other clubs don't ask of their strikers (most play with 1 up top now and expect them to chase about)
And you can't compare a Beattie or a Johnson with the likes of Rooney or Aguero in terms of scoring lots of goals as they are about £20 million cheaper! You get what you pay for most of the time.
Someone who was scoring plenty with Jelavic last year was Papiss Cisse and his goals aren't flowing like they were this season either.

[Pabbers]

The best 3 strikers we have had under Moyes is Steve Watson, Marcus Bent and Tim Cahill.

Says alot to me.