Time To Believe

[MoutsGoat]

I never said Swansea would pass us to death at all, and that's completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Seems like you're struggling because as Damon would say, you've been done by FACHTS.

Nope, there isnt any facts.

Ive just stated we havent faced them at Wembley under Moyes, but your claiming he would just roll over and let them bum us, its comical the way the Anti-Moyesism has spread over this site, but I tend to swerve the negative crap these days, why cant your type do it with the positive threads?

[somuchfun]

Get in there!

[Brennan]

I will discuss a possible Semi-Final vs them, if it happens, but I honestly think they will get dicked everywhere, they are beyond bad and only won the League game cos Moyes and the team approached it the wrong way, that mistake wouldnt happen at Wembley.

That's what i was referring to when i said you were being delusional. Making a claim like that with zero evidence supporting it and all of the past experience (10 years without a win at Anfield and two Wembley shockers) opposing it.

Nothing to do with being Anti-Moyes at all, there's just no reason to think what you think.

I defended Moyes after the Arsenal loss. If i was anti-Moyes, why would i defend him after we lost a game ?

I'm anti-crap football. Not anti-Moyes.

[MoutsGoat]

And to say that we cant beat them at Wembley is also delusional.

Also, 2 Wembley shockers?

We beat United Reserves and lost by 1 goal to Chelsea.

Have you tried Kipper?

[Brennan]

And to say that we cant beat them at Wembley is also delusional.

Also, 2 Wembley shockers?

We beat United Reserves and lost by 1 goal to Chelsea.

Have you tried Kipper?

I didn't say we can't beat them FFS. You're arguing a point i never even made. I said that to go into it thinking we're nailed on to win because we played it wrong at Anfield is silly.

Again, if you go back to the pre-match thread about the away derby from a few weeks ago you would read posts from me telling others how we COULD win at Anfield, and it all depended on whether we turned up on the day or not. I've defended Moyes plenty of times.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

[MoutsGoat]

We have a better team, why wouldnt I think we can beat them?

[davek]

Your wrong Dave.

Moyes and the team, in all honestly, couldnt give a flying about the Derby and you know what, neither did I, yes I wanted to win, but the way some are going on its like we just gave them the League Title, it was 1 game and we lost, well we didnt just lose, we got spanked everywhere, oh well, its happened before and it will happen again.

Tuesdays game is different, thats the game inftont of us and if the current group of players cant get up for a game as big as that, they may as well all retire on Wednesday.

I will discuss a possible Semi-Final vs them, if it happens, but I honestly think they will get dicked everywhere, they are beyond bad and only won the League game cos Moyes and the team approached it the wrong way, that mistake wouldnt happen at Wembley.

I have to disagree mate. Even when we were winning trophies beating them (or at the very least getting right into them) was one of the fundamental tasks of playing for Everton. I cant remember - even under Moyes' time as a manager of Derbies - where we've gone into one so obviously bending the knee to get beheaded. It was criminal. I can understand the desire to get back to Wembley, but it just beggers belief that he felt a disastrous Derby performance prior to a QF match was a great way to prepare to get back there. It's like he handed over selection to Fred the doorman or one of the tea ladies. A staggering miscalculation.

At least a Wembley SF match wouldn't hold a repeat performance on that score anyway. We can beat them, no question about it. We could and should have beaten them on paper for the last 5 or 6 seasons. We really do have (and still do) the better starting XI. But I have no faith that he'll choose the right approach to any such game, and even less faith he can adapt to that match as it unfolds.

Moyes is a very good manager for making sure effort is put in, so that extended bad runs are almost unthinkable at Everton now. That's been his strong suit and why he rightly receives praise. I just dont think he's an inspirational manager. He's an uncompromising manager but, sadly, that isn't always the same as an astute and successful one.

[bluejock]

*walks in, sees the same argument, goes to walk out and thinks better of it and pulls up a chair

[Brennan]

At least a Wembley SF match wouldn't hold a repeat performance on that score anyway. We can beat them, no question about it. We could and should have beaten them on paper for the last 5 or 6 seasons. We really do have (and still do) the better starting XI. But I have no faith that he'll choose the right approach to any such game, and even less faith he can adapt to that match as it unfolds.

Moyes is a very good manager for making sure effort is put in, so that extended bad runs are almost unthinkable at Everton now. That's been his strong suit and why he rightly receives praise. I just dont think he's an inspirational manager. He's an uncompromising manager but, sadly, that isn't always the same as an astute and successful one.

Massive rep.

[MoutsGoat]

It was a mistake from Moyes, no question, I doubt he saw a 3-0 bumming on the cards tho, nobody did with that side, but Stevie G was the difference that day.

[Woolly Blue]

I'm standing with Tubey.
I believe. If I couldn't believe then I might as well just give up and become a bitter blue.

[AdamDex]

*sits next to bluejock and offers him some popcorn and a cold one

[Woolly Blue]

*walks in, sees the same argument, goes to walk out and thinks better of it and pulls up a chair

You bad fence sitter you.

[bluejock]

*sits next to bluejock and offers him some popcorn and a cold one

*cuts hole in popcorn box

[bluejock]

You bad fence sitter you.

I'm not mate, vault my "every time" thread for my opinion on Moist and derbies.

It's more fun to watch though.

[Brennan]

I'm not mate, vault my "every time" thread for my opinion on Moist and derbies.

It's more fun to watch though.

Kinky.

[AdamDex]

*cuts hole in popcorn box

*gets sad and leaves to cry fap

[Woolly Blue]

I'm not mate, vault my "every time" thread for my opinion on Moist and derbies.

It's more fun to watch though.

Haha, fair point.

Kinky.

Only if you do it right.

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

Smash these out of sight

Then bring on the shoite



Can't beat a Brucey Bonus, just ask Kevin The Rat.

[Chang Elephant]

Link me to Moyes saying we cant beat them.

Thanks.

"Moyes doesn't think* we can."

*acknowledgement to Damon Font Co Ltd