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    Everton Wilderness

    A few players have fell victim to it at Everton.

    Bily are Yobo are the current victims - following the likes of Yakubu, Johnson and Beattie to almost be banished. Then there's Vaughan, Andy van der Meyde...

    The following from James Beattie always stuck in my mind;


    Then there is the frustration he [James Beattie] still feels over ‘a year in the wilderness’ and the sudden exit that followed an all-too-brief exchange with manager David Moyes.
    It occurred in the lobby of the Manhattan Beach Hotel in Los Angeles during Everton’s pre-season tour of America in 2007.
    Beattie recalls: ‘He said he thought it was about time I moved on. I told him I wasn’t going anywhere. He said, “We’ll see”, and that was it. It was a big blow but it’s all about how you come back, isn’t it?’
    Beattie’s friends believe Moyes began to have doubts about his record £6million signing as early as the striker’s fifth League game for the club when he was shown the only red card of his career — and served his only suspension — for butting the then Chelsea defender William Gallas.
    Could they be right?
    ‘Probably,’ says Beattie, ruefully. ‘I just think it started a snowball effect in his head. I really did question myself when I left but, with what’s happened since, I know it wasn’t me. I’ve sorted it out in my own head that it wasn’t my fault.’
    He was Everton’s top scorer in his first full season before Moyes broke the club’s transfer record again, paying £8.6m to sign Andy Johnson as the spearhead for his favoured 4-5-1 formation and banishing Beattie to the bench.
    He dropped down to the Championship where he continued to score regularly for Sheffield United and returns to Goodison for the first time today with five goals in seven games as a Stoke player — and no regrets.
    ‘Leaving was hard to take but I’ll say this: there has never been a second that I didn’t think I was a Premier League footballer,’ insists Beattie, 31.
    ‘For the first 18 months I absolutely loved it at Everton. I made some really good friends who I’m still in touch with now, not just the players but people around the club and I still speak to Bill Kenwright on a regular basis.
    ‘We’ve got quite a special relationship. I phone him for advice or just to see how he’s doing. I think he’s a top guy and he wanted me to be the next superstar at Everton,
    even though it didn’t quite work out.
    ‘I was forced into a bit of a corner and I had a decision to make. Someone of the stature of Bryan Robson coming round to my house, talking to me as a person, treating me with respect and saying he wanted me to play for Sheffield United was nice to hear having spent 12 months in the wilderness.
    ‘I didn’t really want to go. I wanted to stay and prove myself like I’ve done several times in my career. It was a massive decision and I spoke to a lot of people in football. I’ve since had the same people congratulate me on the way I’ve come back because a lot of players drop out of the top flight and you never see them again.’
    It doesn't sound too healthy does it?

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    He was a bit gash really.

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    His treatment of Yakubu rattled me last season. It's okay being a firm manager but cutting off your nose to spite your face is beyond frustrating. And that's what happened with the Yak after he was dropped during a very good period of form when his work rate was unquestionable. For Saha who went 11 months without scoring.

    Beckford too. I didn't think much of their spat and laughed at DaveK for saying Beckford will be gone in the summer. But DK was right. I'm still shocked. Although I'm not sure if that was more to do with him not being able to play in the precious 4-5-1, rather than the spat.

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    Beattie recalls: ‘He said he thought it was about time I moved on. I told him I wasn’t going anywhere. He said, “We’ll see”, and that was it. It was a big blow but it’s all about how you come back, isn’t it?’
    Two sides to every story, I wonder what Moyes memories would involve.
    Also there is the psychological side of things, Bobby Robson was infamous for purposefully getting his players names wrong, to keep them on their toes, Moyes could have been laying the gauntlet down to Beatts to get his ass in gear and start doing the business. To be fair to both sides, repeated attempts to get VDM to be the supply line for the attack was always a losing battle, but we didn't have the players or the cash to get the players to replace the fat waste of space (VDM).

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    Do you think Kenwright is getting Beattie to look for a buyer?
    “Everton have always been noted for going out on the pitch to play football. We got called the school of science quite rightly. The other lot, the Reds…. well they were a gang of butchers! …. they should have been working in an abattoir. McNab, McKinlay, the Wadsworths. God bless my soul. They’d kick an old woman”
    Dixie Dean

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    He's obviously trying to emulate SAF with a strict disciplinary code, and his word being the final word.

    If it reaps dividends then he gets the plaudits, but when we have nobody upfront and strikers on the bench and in the stands (record transfer fee's involved, that HE signed) and it appears that there is a rift, then it all points to him being a bit of a mardarse really.


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    A fascinating article, and perhaps this is one of Moyes' biggest failings. Rooney was reported to have had a big bust-up with him, and who knows whether or not this might have been a key factor in him wanting to go (probably not of course, the lure of money and success at Man U would have been immense). It's all a bit worrying that he might have frozen the likes of Yakubu and Beckford out as the result of a personal spat; this is a serious character flaw, he has to learn to swallow his pride and keep the players onboard, especially with a small squad such as ours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandOldTeam View Post
    A few players have fell victim to it at Everton.

    Bily are Yobo are the current victims - following the likes of Yakubu, Johnson and Beattie to almost be banished. Then there's Vaughan, Andy van der Meyde...

    The following from James Beattie always stuck in my mind;




    It doesn't sound too healthy does it?
    Never rated Beattie had 1 good season at s'hampton, the Yak was awesome in first season but never looked the same after his injury

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    Quote Originally Posted by froggyted View Post
    A fascinating article, and perhaps this is one of Moyes' biggest failings. Rooney was reported to have had a big bust-up with him, and who knows whether or not this might have been a key factor in him wanting to go (probably not of course, the lure of money and success at Man U would have been immense). It's all a bit worrying that he might have frozen the likes of Yakubu and Beckford out as the result of a personal spat; this is a serious character flaw, he has to learn to swallow his pride and keep the players onboard, especially with a small squad such as ours.
    I disagree, hes the gaffer, people should respect him, these footballers think they are the boss cos they earn silly money and drive fancy cars, I welcome Moyes showing them hes the Daddy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by froggyted View Post
    A fascinating article, and perhaps this is one of Moyes' biggest failings. Rooney was reported to have had a big bust-up with him, and who knows whether or not this might have been a key factor in him wanting to go (probably not of course, the lure of money and success at Man U would have been immense). It's all a bit worrying that he might have frozen the likes of Yakubu and Beckford out as the result of a personal spat; this is a serious character flaw, he has to learn to swallow his pride and keep the players onboard, especially with a small squad such as ours.
    I was proud as punch when he won vs Rooney in court and then gave all the damages to the Former Players Foundation.
    Certain players require a kick up the backside regularly, discipline and commitment has to be maintained because once it slips it is difficlut to get back too. Football is their respective livelihoods, if you don't want to give it your best, sod off and become a street sweeper. Only the best...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelsGoat View Post
    I disagree, hes the gaffer, people should respect him, these footballers think they are the boss cos they earn silly money and drive fancy cars, I welcome Moyes showing them hes the Daddy.
    But at the expense of the Club? I agree that a lot of players have over-milked egos, but surely Moyes' prime concern should be managing his players in order to do what's best for the Club, e.g. swallowing his pride, and maximising the potential of any player he has had a personal difference with until the opportunity arises to move him on and replace him.

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    Ferguson has not lost face with a player once. Ever. Was highlighted earlier on MOTD when Neville was put on the spot about the boot that cut Beckham. Stayed 'on message' with his answer there as well.

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    Striker James Beattie could be set for a shock return to the Premier League, with his former clubs Everton and Blackburn, as well as Newcastle United, alerted to his availability following his release by Rangers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MikelsGoat View Post
    Striker James Beattie could be set for a shock return to the Premier League, with his former clubs Everton and Blackburn, as well as Newcastle United, alerted to his availability following his release by Rangers.

    Metro? -> http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/th...olous-Websites

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    Hence the



    It made me chuckle.

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    BAN HIM FFS D/D.
    Quote Originally Posted by andy4efc View Post
    So its my fault some clown decided to hack my calfs then yeah? Alright then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicoazul View Post
    BAN HIM FFS D/D.
    It was valid, albeit fictional aside, totally on topic and fitting into the whole theme of the thread.

    I feel it would be unneccesary to ban for such a thing, but if the Mods feel I have strayed over a line, then I will accept my punishment with the grace at my disposal.

    p.s, YA MAR LAD

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandOldTeam View Post
    A few players have fell victim to it at Everton.

    Bily are Yobo are the current victims - following the likes of Yakubu, Johnson and Beattie to almost be banished. Then there's Vaughan, Andy van der Meyde...

    The following from James Beattie always stuck in my mind;




    It doesn't sound too healthy does it?
    On the counter to that you hear stuff from the likes of Kevin Campbell saying how Moyes extended his career though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by froggyted View Post
    A fascinating article, and perhaps this is one of Moyes' biggest failings. Rooney was reported to have had a big bust-up with him, and who knows whether or not this might have been a key factor in him wanting to go (probably not of course, the lure of money and success at Man U would have been immense). It's all a bit worrying that he might have frozen the likes of Yakubu and Beckford out as the result of a personal spat; this is a serious character flaw, he has to learn to swallow his pride and keep the players onboard, especially with a small squad such as ours.
    No. He had a bust up with Alan Irvine.

    Please don't go spreading malicious rumours.

    Rooney had to admit out of court he came out with a load of bollocks.

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    Learn to multi quote.

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