Pre-Season

[Ian Wilsons hair gel]

I've just had a horrid thought we could end up with Steve Round and his taped microphone as a care-taker manager if Moyes did go, sends a shiver down my spine!

[pfim]

I'd absolutely love McLeish here tbh. I know it didn't go well at Villa but they had so many terrible injuries he didnt really stand a chance. We'd play attacking football and I think he'd really get through to the players.

He hasn't relegated every Birmingham club yet, so he's probably not available.

[nigelcoyb]

Best thread ever.

Restored my faith in evertonians, Moyes won't get the Spurs job of course but it's as though he's gone and more fans than I thought not only aren't arsed but are positive about it.

The "Wizard of Oz" comes to mind, as the evil witch gets soaked and disintegrates her soldiers free of tyranny say she was always a tw@t!

or similar.

[billycopper]

It's only a step up if the job is to his liking. If he has a supportive and not combative and questioning chairman. If he has complete control over playing matters. If there aren't warring political factions at the club.

The fact is, Redknapp 'delivered'. Only a freak set of circumstances of the 6th placed club winning the CL stopped then getting CL footy for the 2nd time in 3 years. Moyes has long spoken out about the values of stability, of having autonomous control. Spurs are not Everton - and for all the positives reasons why they are not (more money for a start), there are also lots of negative reasons too, in how they are worse off than Everton. Negatives to the point that they might be deal breakers.

As Pienaar found out, the grass isn't always greener. What seems likes a great move and career enhancement on paper doesn't always turn out like that. The only thing stagnant at Everton is the finances, not the manner in which Moyes manages the teams, seeks out new players and turns things around.

It's a good point about Pienaar. If Spurs are in a position where they need to sell to buy- as has been the case in all but Redknapp's first year in charge- are they a better proposition? If the star players underperform because they liked Redknapp, don't like the new manager or want to move to a major club then Spurs will struggle as they did in the latter stages of the season. If Moyes is going to leave Everton I think it will be for a club who are in a considerably better position to challenge for honours.

[fandjango]

Get Harry in FFS

[BoysInBlue]

So Moyes is going to stay here his entire career then?

He's clearly not ambitious as we all think if that's the case. Especially if the only club he'd apparently be able to have stability and complete control is say us....and United, Arsenal, or Barcelona.

Redknapp had full control of who came and went. Levy probably fell out with him, didn't want to give him a 3 year deal, so binned him thinking he's done all he can. It's not levys just fired him out of the blue, they've had a fall out.

Spurs ain't citeh, Newcastle, or chelski with ruthless chairmen, they let the manager have control so I don't see them being a monster chopping and changing and buying players the manager wants. It's a great job opportunity for anyone.

And Everton are stagnant in all departments as there are no funds to push on, unless the players the managers have bought and scouted are sold the next year. It's never a push forward, its always one step forward, 2 steps back

You're wrong about Spurs. Levy strictly controls the club. He's thought to favour a Director of Football, supporting the coach. The role that Brendan Rodgers has at Liverpool was the type of role that Levy wanted at Spurs. There are numerous political factions at Tottenham, look at the ruthless way they have gotten rid of Redknapp. Ask yourself why he fell out with him, when the man unquestionably delivered.

Moyes is ambitious and will probably not stay at Everton his entire career (not unless a Sheik buys us!), but he doesn't fit the type of manager Levy is supposedly looking for. There's always the Man Utd talk, and when Ferguson does step down, it will be very interesting to see who succeeds him, given the long-spoken rumours.

[billycopper]

So Moyes is going to stay here his entire career then?

He's clearly not ambitious as we all think if that's the case. Especially if the only club he'd apparently be able to have stability and complete control is say us....and United, Arsenal, or Barcelona.

Redknapp had full control of who came and went. Levy probably fell out with him, didn't want to give him a 3 year deal, so binned him thinking he's done all he can. It's not levys just fired him out of the blue, they've had a fall out.

Spurs ain't citeh, Newcastle, or chelski with ruthless chairmen, they let the manager have control so I don't see them being a monster chopping and changing and buying players the manager wants. It's a great job opportunity for anyone.

And Everton are stagnant in all departments as there are no funds to push on, unless the players the managers have bought and scouted are sold the next year. It's never a push forward, its always one step forward, 2 steps back

United, City and Chelsea are clear of everyone else in the league. Arsenal, all things considered, can't be touched either. Given that Spurs do have financial constraints I would group them together with Liverpool, Newcastle, Villa and us as trying to break in to the Champions League places. There would be little point in Moyes leaving us to join another side in that chasing pack.

Is Redknapp out of order for wanting to commit the twilight of his managerial career to Spurs or being open to going out at the top with England? Many said that they were the best footballing side in the country last year and it was probably only the distraction of the England job that prevented them finishing in the top three. His sacking is extremely harsh.

I don't think there is an awful lot between Everton and Tottenham on the pitch, provided we're able to keep Pienaar. They could probably raise more by selling Modric, Bale and Van der Vaart than we could be offloading Fellaini, Baines and Jelavic but there wouldn't be much in it. I'd personally rather have Barkley, Rodwell, Duffy and Coleman than Livermore, Rose, Huddlestone and Townsend. Beside their big names Defoe, Pienaar, Bassong and Dos Santos are unsettled. Gomes, Bentley and Jenas are dead wood and Dawson is a perennial injury victim alongside Huddlestone. I wouldn't have much faith in Friedel, Cudicini or Gomes and they have big problems at both ends of the pitch. There is a surprising amount of work to be done at the Lane, whereas Moyes has said that it would only take about £5m for him to get his Everton side how he wants it.

[Deloodid]

Yes mate a few times. I am not looking forward to languising in the lower divisions again like we was pre moyes.

No mate, I'm clearly a kopite.

i didnt think kopites had good haircuts.

[mawders]

I'd absolutely love McLeish here tbh. I know it didn't go well at Villa but they had so many terrible injuries he didnt really stand a chance. We'd play attacking football and I think he'd really get through to the players.

i can't work out if you are being serious, or are seriously taking the p1ss. I hope the latter

[davek]

So Moyes is going to stay here his entire career then?

He's clearly not ambitious as we all think if that's the case. Especially if the only club he'd apparently be able to have stability and complete control is say us....and United, Arsenal, or Barcelona.

Redknapp had full control of who came and went. Levy probably fell out with him, didn't want to give him a 3 year deal, so binned him thinking he's done all he can. It's not levys just fired him out of the blue, they've had a fall out.

Spurs ain't citeh, Newcastle, or chelski with ruthless chairmen, they let the manager have control so I don't see them being a monster chopping and changing and buying players the manager wants. It's a great job opportunity for anyone.

And Everton are stagnant in all departments as there are no funds to push on, unless the players the managers have bought and scouted are sold the next year. It's never a push forward, its always one step forward, 2 steps back

Looking that way isn't it?

He's Everton's Dario Gradi. And he'll win just about as much as him too.

[billycopper]

You're wrong about Spurs. Levy strictly controls the club. He's thought to favour a Director of Football, supporting the coach. The role that Brendan Rodgers has at Liverpool was the type of role that Levy wanted at Spurs. There are numerous political factions at Tottenham, look at the ruthless way they have gotten rid of Redknapp. Ask yourself why he fell out with him, when the man unquestionably delivered.

Moyes is ambitious and will probably not stay at Everton his entire career (not unless a Sheik buys us!), but he doesn't fit the type of manager Levy is supposedly looking for. There's always the Man Utd talk, and when Ferguson does step down, it will be very interesting to see who succeeds him, given the long-spoken rumours.

Isn't Moyes the antithesis of the Spurs way anyway? I'm sure they would want to be known as the most attractive side in the Premier League, especially as that is what appealed to Saha and Vertonghen. He'd have Bale, Modric and Van der Vaart protecting the back four while Gallas launches long balls to Defoe.

[Johnny_No.5]

Has Moyes gone yet?? ffs

[GraemeS1980]

Has Moyes gone yet?? ffs

SSN quoted moyes as saying "he has had no approach from Tottenham"

[kenada_blue]

You're wrong about Spurs. Levy strictly controls the club. He's thought to favour a Director of Football, supporting the coach. The role that Brendan Rodgers has at Liverpool was the type of role that Levy wanted at Spurs. There are numerous political factions at Tottenham, look at the ruthless way they have gotten rid of Redknapp. Ask yourself why he fell out with him, when the man unquestionably delivered.

Moyes is ambitious and will probably not stay at Everton his entire career (not unless a Sheik buys us!), but he doesn't fit the type of manager Levy is supposedly looking for. There's always the Man Utd talk, and when Ferguson does step down, it will be very interesting to see who succeeds him, given the long-spoken rumours.

Redknapp wanted a 3 year deal, levy didn't want to give him it. Goodbye. Especially when the manager is on the front page rather than the back and couldve been a factor in their poor form by January.

And do they have a director of football still? who is he? From my knowledge, every buy Redknapp made are all his. No Chelsea or citeh blind buys, all his.

All you've said is that its either Everton or United...but is tough as hell never get the united job.

If Citeh or Chelski came in for Moyes, would he turn it down because he won't have full control? behave. A manager's cv states what you've won, not where you've been.

[davek]

SSN quoted moyes as saying "he has had no approach from Tottenham"

And he wont get any either.

Time for the 'Moyes to a top club' bullshit to finally come to an embarrassing end.

[MoutsGoat]

And he wont get any either.

Time for the 'Moyes to a top club' bullshit to finally come to an embarrassing end.

Are you saying Everton isnt a top Club Dave?

[Ian Wilsons hair gel]

And he wont get any either.

Time for the 'Moyes to a top club' bullshit to finally come to an embarrassing end.

Until next summer if he still has to agree the new contract

[bluebottle]

Are you saying Everton isnt a top Club Dave?

Ohhh Lawd ring side seats.

[Ian Wilsons hair gel]

It will be AVB I think still and all this will die down till the next player to be sold rumour/Moyes contract. Thats what bugs me we get this every year, really wish I could just put Everton on hold over these summer months

[Aidey9]

At first i thought Moyesy might well consider it but im not so sure now?. Im wondering if Redknapp agreed to leave cos he didnt get assurances on funds?. I mean, spurs qualified for the CL but didnt really spend to build a squad for it, they went with what they got and only really bought van der Vaart and got Adebayor on loan.

And in january he was wanting to sign Remy and what have ya and ended up with Saha and Nelson. CL qualification was vital to Tottenham and they've unluckily not made it so will they have the backing to splash decent amounts of money to challenge for the top for again, im not sure?.

And then some of there players could leave now there not in the champions league, the likes of Modric, Bale, van der Vaart. So would Moyes be better off going to Spurs when you consider all that?.

Since january, since he did a bit of wheeling and dealing, Moyes seems vigorated (sp) and alot more positive about us and knows himself that we are 2 to 3 players for the first team away from being serious challengers for Europe atleast, possibly even CL!. And he's got a relationship with the chairman where he's in charge and calls the shots, so would he really give all that up for Tottenham, a club where the chairman interferers?. I doubt it!.

If i was Moyesy i'd wheel and deal this summer, keep our stars and look to really build on our second half of the season and see how we get on. Then if we can get the right players in the i really think we could push for CL and then who knows, maybe he'll stay longer or then maybe be considered for a bigger job than Spurs, say, Man Utd?!.

I just think Moyesy is better than Spurs and deserves a better job if he ever is to leave us!.