Long, long injuries

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11-12-2012, 06:22 PM
Eggs

Long, long injuries

Why do our players take so long to recover from injury? Recently I spoke with a renowned expert who told me that recovery timescales in Premier League are recorded to assess medical performance. As this person pointed out, the cost of having highly paid players on the sidelines is astronomical and the drive to get them back is key. As far as I know, recovery figures are not in the public domain but I would love to see how we compare. This 'expert' said he had visited Finch Farm and Everton have all the equipment but nobody knows how to use it. Getting players back quickly gives clubs an edge but we seem to be lagging. Baz Rathbone got the heave ho but who oversees our medical process? Mirallas comes back for a game & is struggling again, Gibson out for months with a groin injury and I dare not mention big Vic. It is an important area but is it one that fans consider?
11-12-2012, 06:29 PM
Tubey

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Originally Posted by Eggs

Why do our players take so long to recover from injury? Recently I spoke with a renowned expert who told me that recovery timescales in Premier League are recorded to assess medical performance. As this person pointed out, the cost of having highly paid players on the sidelines is astronomical and the drive to get them back is key. As far as I know, recovery figures are not in the public domain but I would love to see how we compare. This 'expert' said he had visited Finch Farm and Everton have all the equipment but nobody knows how to use it. Getting players back quickly gives clubs an edge but we seem to be lagging. Baz Rathbone got the heave ho but who oversees our medical process? Mirallas comes back for a game & is struggling again, Gibson out for months with a groin injury and I dare not mention big Vic. It is an important area but is it one that fans consider?

FFS... This isn't true, surely?
11-12-2012, 07:03 PM
McBain

Do we have a Machine that goes Ping?
11-12-2012, 07:05 PM
stevietoffee

i take it other clubs dont get long injuries then ???look at the likes of wilshire out for well over a year , diame at west ham looking at 3 months out . we aint the only club that gets them .
11-12-2012, 07:09 PM
Baines' left foot

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Originally Posted by Tubey

FFS... This isn't true, surely?

Hahahahaha.

Couldn't. Make. It. Up.
11-12-2012, 08:03 PM
Chang Elephant

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Originally Posted by Eggs

This 'expert' said he had visited Finch Farm and Everton have all the equipment but nobody knows how to use it.

That is ****ing funny
11-12-2012, 08:25 PM
Degs62

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Originally Posted by McBain

Do we have a Machine that goes Ping?

Yes, a very expensive one.
11-12-2012, 11:27 PM
Titus Bramble

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Originally Posted by McBain

Do we have a Machine that goes Ping?

A microwave?
11-12-2012, 11:39 PM
Pineappleman

Rathbone quit, he didn't "get the heave ho"
11-12-2012, 11:39 PM
Pineappleman

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Originally Posted by Titus Bramble

A microwave?

Yakubu took that.
11-12-2012, 11:54 PM
WA Toffee

I don't think it is unique to Everton, or even just to football. Athletes nowadays are much more highly tuned than in previous years. While muscle mass can be increased and strengthened, other parts of the body such as ligaments can not be strengthened to the same degree. So you have the situation where a ligament is carrying a lot more load than it is designed to, whether that is increased muscle mass or increased aerobic capacity meaning the muscles are working harder for longer. Eventually these parts crack the sh1ts resulting in a lengthy injury.
12-12-2012, 06:37 AM
Jacko93

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Originally Posted by Eggs

Why do our players take so long to recover from injury? Recently I spoke with a renowned expert who told me that recovery timescales in Premier League are recorded to assess medical performance. As this person pointed out, the cost of having highly paid players on the sidelines is astronomical and the drive to get them back is key. As far as I know, recovery figures are not in the public domain but I would love to see how we compare. This 'expert' said he had visited Finch Farm and Everton have all the equipment but nobody knows how to use it. Getting players back quickly gives clubs an edge but we seem to be lagging. Baz Rathbone got the heave ho but who oversees our medical process? Mirallas comes back for a game & is struggling again, Gibson out for months with a groin injury and I dare not mention big Vic. It is an important area but is it one that fans consider?

TBH mate, a lot of this means absolutely nothing, as one of the reasons that Baz left was because his role had changed, many of the players these days, that come on big money, bring their own medical staff with them. Baz felt that he was losing control of his team because of the influx of other people who he didn't choose.

With this in mind, I would fully expect that the exact same issues occur at other clubs.

To infer that "Everton have all the equipment but nobody knows how to use it" is in my mind, ridiculous. These are professionals who have worked in many places and are employed solely due to their medical expertise. I very much doubt that in the modern day, they would 'not have a clue' on how to use the equipment.
12-12-2012, 08:16 AM
Shaun4658

This is absolute rubbish. It just seems like our players take longer to recover because they are "our" players. It's exacerbated by the fact our squad is paper thin and we feel they're absence more than other clubs.

Our injuries and medical facilities are no worse/better than most other premier league clubs.
12-12-2012, 08:25 AM
davek

We're back to prehabilitation again. It turns our players muscle mass into knots in cotton.
12-12-2012, 11:09 AM
bobbyrob

Phil Nevilles injury status (no return date), I think the system works.
12-12-2012, 11:17 AM
Ihaters

The op makes it sound like anything beyond a magic sponge and water and they scratch their heads...

"His legs broken in two places. What do we do?... "
"Turn of f that damn pinging machine thingy and try the sponge again... "
"Hasn't worked..."
"Okay don't panic.. try the water.. then the sponge then both together.."

This seems unlikely to me considering they are fully qualified medical staff.
12-12-2012, 12:18 PM
Muggins

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Originally Posted by Tubey

FFS... This isn't true, surely?

That caught my eye too. Things like this can happen in all businesses. embarassing if true.
12-12-2012, 04:19 PM
just_COYB

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Originally Posted by WA Toffee

I don't think it is unique to Everton, or even just to football. Athletes nowadays are much more highly tuned than in previous years. While muscle mass can be increased and strengthened, other parts of the body such as ligaments can not be strengthened to the same degree. So you have the situation where a ligament is carrying a lot more load than it is designed to, whether that is increased muscle mass or increased aerobic capacity meaning the muscles are working harder for longer. Eventually these parts crack the sh1ts resulting in a lengthy injury.

As someone who works in the science of tendon repair and damage, you are absolutely right. This is why many injuries last so long.
12-12-2012, 05:09 PM
Muggins

So if footballers try and bulk up and strengthen their muscles, they are increasing stress and risk of injury to tendons and ligaments as they can't be strengthened.

Could this be why Lionel Messi has had such an injury free career? As he's always struck me as retaining his natural body shape and size rather than trying to bulk up.