Is it Moyes or is it money

[chicoazul]

Originally Posted by arch stanton

I really am sick of this glib and smug phrase. It makes out as if we know better than the manager. Lets face it, some of us have played the game to a reasonable standard, some to sunday league, some never at all, but to think that we know better than such a student of the game as DM is rubbish.
Whi knows where DM could take us with extra cash. Lets face it, if we didn't have the horrendous injury crisis (that seems to be lingering with MF) to our better players, we'd still be in the hunt for 4th place again. As it stands we will not be far off the euro places in spite of the crisis. DM has shown that he can buy players of high value (Yak, Mo Fro) and find gems in the bargain basement (Peanut, arteta) and still find a young pup to bring on and develop (coleman) and oversee a youth policy bringing through our own young lads (rodders, vaughan). I fail to see where DM is struggling. Comments like 'he's taken us as far as he can' should be left in the alehouse and uttered by knowfeckalls and titface Lawro.
I feel better now.

applauds*

[Robert Jarvis]

Originally Posted by nevsonlymate

Hearing and reading Moyes post match report totally baffaling was'nt at the same match as me.
When he can't see the teams performance and his own tactical decisions were questable then we do have a problem

Link please.

[gerrad1973]

Originally Posted by harry

Moyes is set in his ways, everton play the game to how he likes it to be played.

his tactics are no different as the likes of megson and alidise.
We may try and look down are noses at teams like stoke,bolton, wolves etc and come out with bullshit like "they dragged us down to their level" that is utter tosh, we play the same way against the top teams as we do aginst the bottom.

Man city and arsenal- we battled hard and played some decent stuff but re watch these games we out worked them, we never outplayed them, as in pass and move.
The only time this season we have sustained good football for any period of time is the first 20 mins against Birmingham.

We have never adressed the winger issue because he wants his players to tuck in and pick up the 2nd ball from the punt.

Its simple direct football that the majority of british managers have in their mindset. football has evolved since the foreign influx and different ideas of how the game should be played, some managers haven't caught up.

If you are happy watching a team battle hard,keep it tight but win the majority of their games. buy your season ticket.
But if you want entertaining pass and move football (not in patches) you will not get that from a david moyes team.

I am not ****ging him off, we have different ideas of how the game should be played. mine differs from his.

i think last season and a little less so this season (with all of our most skilfull players suffereing injuries) our 'football' has improved MASSIVELY from what has gone on since the early 90's. I am proud to say i think we now play football again - following our 'dogs of war' era. IMO Moyes wants skill, craft and good football - but he recognises you need steel as well or you will still fail in the premiership. As Moyes is able to bring more and more skilful players in (as he sells his cheaper signings for massive profits) the football will improve more and more.....
As far as entertaining, skilful football is concerned we are definitely going in the right direction - i just think injuries have hampered it a little this term.

[gerrad1973]

Originally Posted by devonblue

moyes has done wonders for us
but lets be honest he has spent alot of money(that he has raised through sales but has still spent plenty)
he hasn't managed to beat a top 4 team away
failed to improve the squad during the summer despite knowing he had 4 long term injuries.
he has done well but whose to say someone else couldn't do better.

Spent a lot of money compared to who? Other teams finishing in the top 5? I think not! he has spent £10-£15m on one player and added a few cheap ones over the last 3/4 years (gems like Jags, Pienaar, Arteta,Chaill etc - a fraction of what they are now worth).- but this has largely been financed by sales.

Relatively speaking he has spent NOTHING. he has been given NOTHING and that is his major strength.

[GwladysStGlory]

We won't know until we've got money... Until then, David's been exactly what this club needs.

Having said that, matches can be won playing any style IMHO, it just depends on if you can buy the right players to make your particular style effective.

Having said that, I think 95% of Evertonians would like to see us slicing teams up by playing it on the ground and most high balls only coming from crosses into the box. The route 1 sh*te is boring, even if you made it highly effective.

[Number_25]

Everton First 11

Howard - £2.5m
Baines - £6m
Neville - £3.5m
Jagielka - £4m
Yobo -£4.5m
Piennar - £2m
Arteta - £2m
Cahill - £2.5m
Fellaini - £13m
Saha - Free
Yakubu - £11.25m

Total = £51.25m

One of the lest costing sides in the EPL

[chicoazul]

Originally Posted by Number_25

Everton First 11

Howard - £2.5m
Baines - £6m
Neville - £3.5m
Jagielka - £4m
Yobo -£4.5m
Piennar - £2m
Arteta - £2m
Cahill - £2.5m
Fellaini - £13m
Saha - Free
Yakubu - £11.25m

Total = £51.25m

One of the lest costing sides in the EPL

Toure and Lescott cost more than our team minus Fellaini.

Mad that.

[Neiler]

£38.2 what we made a year when Moyes took over
£78.9 what we make now!


Moyes out!

[Dublintoff]

Originally Posted by nevsonlymate

Hearing and reading Moyes post match report totally baffaling was'nt at the same match as me.
When he can't see the teams performance and his own tactical decisions were questable then we do have a problem

I think the fact the team are about to face the best team in the country would have something to do with moyes backing his team. He would know they were down after such a display and result, no need to publicly knock them further. Good management in my opinion

[ozidave]

Hi all just reading through your comments after my first posting , firstly these are not my thoughts that DM has done as much as he could with his spending power or lack of it Just an observation of other peoples thoughts hence the reason to post to see more reaction, re: StDomingdGringos coment i actually got the reason to post this question from the toffeweb site mail bag from coments in there , re: GwladysStGlory coment yes true totally agree , anyways good to start my first post with comments on both sides of the pitch ty all .hopefully ill post more for good debate

[Philw]

Originally Posted by Number_25

Everton First 11

Howard - £2.5m
Baines - £6m
Neville - £3.5m
Jagielka - £4m
Yobo -£4.5m
Piennar - £2m
Arteta - £2m
Cahill - £2.5m
Fellaini - £13m
Saha - Free
Yakubu - £11.25m

Total = £51.25m

One of the lest costing sides in the EPL

Read something in a quote on one of the other threads about our 11 costing more than L'pools at the w/e. U got a comparison there?